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A Song of Thanksgiving! (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 24)

A Song of Thanksgiving! (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 24)

This episode is simply a lovely sampler of music, in various styles, to help us all move deeper into a spirit of gratitude and grace–peace to you all, and from all of us at GIA Publications, prayers and blessings for a beautiful Thanksgiving week!

(Eat well, and get some rest. Advent is almost here. 😉 )

–Jennifer

Music heard on today’s podcast:

Now Thank We All Our God (for organ and brass) (G-4765)
by Johann Sebastian Bach , arr. Hyslop
As recorded on Gaudeamus, CD-503 

Halleluya! We Sing your Praises!
South African Spiritual
As recorded on 49 Hidden Treasures from the African American Heritage Hymnal, CD-636

For the Beauty of the Earth (G-6603)
by Bernard Sexton 

For the Beauty of the Earth (G-9323)
Text and arr.: Jeanne Cotter 

O God beyond All Praising (G-3190)Concertato on THAXTED
by  Gustav Holst, arr. Proulxas recorded on Rare Beasts and Unique Adventures Volume 2, CD-468

Now Thank We All Our God (G-7476)
by Johann Pachelbel , ed. Lovelace

In Christ We Come to Offer Thanks (G-9719)
by J. Michael Joncas, Text by Delores Dufner OSB
As recorded on Deep and Lasting Peace, CD-1047 

Thank You, Jesus (G-6678)
Arranged by: J. Weldon Norris 

Bless the Lord!
Psalm 103; music by Andraé CrouchAs recorded on 42 Treasured Favorites from the African American Heritage Hymnal, CD-742 

Let Us Give Thanks for Unknown Blessings (G-10057)
by Carol Browning 
As recorded on Unknown Blessings CD-1069

Come, You Thankful People, Come (G-9460)
by George J. Elvey , arr. Alonso
As recorded on Revival, CD-1012

Let All things Now Living (piano solo) (in G-9491)
Arr. Paul Tate
As recorded on Seasons of Grace, Vol. 7, CD-1028

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

Igniting Choral Rehearsals–a conversation with Michael Kemp. (Sing Amen! the podcast, episode 23)

Igniting Choral Rehearsals–a conversation with Michael Kemp. (Sing Amen! the podcast, episode 23)

Today we have a conversation with choral conductor Michael Kemp, who has written several books including The Choral Challenge, Innovative Warm-ups for the Volunteer Choir, Rejuvenating Senior Voices (this book helps choir directors help our singers to deal with the vocal issues that begin to affect them as they age,) and his most recent book, Igniting Choral Rehearsals with Efficiency, Artistry, and Motivation. I had the privilege of helping to edit this last book, and it’s a really excellent and practical handbook for choral conductors looking for ways to approach your choir rehearsals that will not only be more efficient and accomplish more, but also be more fun and stimulating for everyone involved. The book suggests specific areas of focus that we can be looking at simultaneously, in layers, as we work on a piece, rather than saying, “Okay, let’s learn the notes, and then we can work on musicality, or dynamics, or vowel formation, or whatever other elements of the piece need work. And after laying out what some of those layers are, he offers 17 octavos, analyzed and score-marked the way he would to go into a rehearsal, taking the concept out of the theoretical and into something concrete and incredibly practical.

 I recorded this interview with Michael over a year ago at the last NPM convention he spoke at (pardon the street noises and sirens!), and I’m delighted to finally be able to get this one out into the world.

Music Heard in Today’s Podcast:

O Lord, Increase My Faith, G-2900 (Orlando Gibbons)

Were you There, G-8911 (arr. Marques L. A. Garrett)

Panis Angelicus, G-8655 (Zack Stachowski)

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

“The Rosary: The Mysteries of Life,” with Fr. Liam Lawton (Sing Amen! the podcast, episode 22)

“The Rosary: The Mysteries of Life,” with Fr. Liam Lawton (Sing Amen! the podcast, episode 22)

Today we have a special podcast episode to celebrate the month of the Most Holy Rosary, which is October. Father Liam Lawton has produced a new recording entitled “The Rosary: The Mysteries of Life,” (CD-1075) which will be released by GIA in the very near future. This project, recorded by Fr. Liam and the Poor Clare Sisters of Carlow, Ireland, contains a meditative reading of all four of the Mysteries of the Rosary—the Joyful Mysteries, recalling the birth and early life of Jesus; the Sorrowful Mysteries, focusing on the Passion and death of Jesus; the Glorious Mysteries, which focus on the Resurrection and the birth of the Church, as well as Jesus’ relationship with his mother; and the Luminous Mysteries, which highlight some of the great episodes in Jesus’ public life and ministry. 

            In a world full of complication and busy-ness, I have a feeling this project of Fr. Liam’s could be a great gift to many people of faith. It is beautiful but very very simple: it is, quite simply, a praying of the Rosary. For each decade of the Rosary, Fr. Liam offers a reflection on the particular mystery being prayed, and listeners are invited to join in the series of prayers (the Our Father, ten Hail Marys, and one Glory Be) with the Poor Clare Sisters, through the five decades of the rosary prayer. (This is also, by the way, is a lovely opportunity for connection with with these women, members of a cloistered order who live their lives within their enclosed community and open their hearts in prayer to all who visit or write them—As we pray for and with them, and each other, we invite one another to sink down into this meditative centuries-old prayer form.)

            All four sets of mysteries will be included on the complete 2-CD resource; this podcast will include a praying of the Glorious Mysteries, taken from the recording.

            So we invite you to take half an hour or so out of the busyness of your day to join in prayer—peace be with you!

The prayers and music for today’s podcast are taken from:

The Rosary: The Mysteries of Life, CD-1075

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

¡Cantemos Amén!–A Conversation with Peter Kolar (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 21)

¡Cantemos Amén!–A Conversation with Peter Kolar (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 21)

This past summer, GIA welcomed our new Editor for Spanish and Bilingual Resources, Mr. Peter Kolar. Today’s podcast is a conversation with him about his life and work and his reflections on his experiences of music ministry within bilingual and multicultural communities. He was one of the directors for the GIA Showcase at NPM last summer, and he’s been active in NPM conferences for years, giving workshops on bilingual and Spanish music. He is a composer in his own right, and he has his own blog here on the Sing Amen site, called ¡Cantemos Amén!, so please look for his voice to keep adding to the conversation here at singamen.giamusic.com.

Shortly after he started at GIA, Peter and I sat down and recorded this podcast interview, which we’re sharing with you today. Obviously this conversation happened well before the tragic terrorist attacks in El Paso last month, which Peter wrote about in his last blog post, so if you have not read it, please do; it’s a beautiful reflection on the strength and love of a rich and faith-filled community, and it can be found here.

I’ve known Peter Kolar for more than 20 years, and he’s one of my favorite people, so just sitting down with him to talk about life and ministry and everything was a treat for me, and getting to hear snippets of recordings from his days directing a youth marimba ensemble in Chicago’s Back of the Yards neighborhood is a special bonus! I hope you enjoy this as much as I did.

Music Heard on today’s Podcast:

—”Chiapas” (Mexican traditional) and “Invention in A minor” (J. S. Bach), performed by the Marimba Ensemble of Holy Cross-Immaculate Heart of Mary Parish, Chicago, IL.

—”Improvisation on ENGELBERG,” ©2019 Peter M. Kolar

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

Guide Our Song: An Adam Tice Sampler (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 20)

Guide Our Song: An Adam Tice Sampler (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 20)

One of the great gifts to the singing Church in more recent years has been the wonderful outpouring of new hymn texts by our modern poet-theologians–people like Delores Dufner, Mary Louise Bringle, Herman Steumpfle, Sylvia Dunstan…and over the past decade or so, Adam Tice. Adam’s texts are rich and challenging, addressing many of the challenges and darknesses facing our world today. His words are unflinching and yet full of hope, and it’s no wonder so many composers who encounter his texts are moved to set them to music.

This podcast, rather than being composer-based or genre-based like many others have been, will instead focus on the text-writer; here are ten songs set by a varied body of composers, all set to Adam’s texts. There are rather straightforward assembly-based hymns here, as well as choral pieces. Some of these selections are more “traditional” in style, while others lend themselves more to a contemporary ensemble’s sound–but all are lovely, and all give one much to think and pray about. (He’s also an incredibly nice guy.)

If you enjoy this, I highly recommend checking out his full collections of hymn texts: Woven Into Harmony, Stars Like Grace, A Greener Place to Grow, Claim the Mystery, and his latest, Pulse and Breath.

Peace to all!

Music Heard on this Podcast:

God of Music, Guide Our Song, G-8092 

by Daniel Kantor 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

Beyond, G-8091

by Daniel Kantor 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

God, Give Me Faith like a Child, G-8591

By Sally Ann Morris

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

As recorded on Walk in Peace, CD-908

In the Morning, in the Evening, G-9873

by Bex Gaunt 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

As recorded on Womb and Tomb,CD-1061, and Show By Your Life, CD-1054

Away in a Manger, G-7765

by Blake R. Henson 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

One Thing I Ask of You, O God, G-9835

by Gary Daigle 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

As recorded on Way, Truth, and Life, CD-9866

For God So Loves the World, G-9201 

by Marty Haugen 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

As recorded on Pilgrims and Companions, CD-1020

From the Waters I Will Rise, G-9859

by Marty Haugen 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

As recorded on Choose to Hope, CD-1060

Glorify the Lord by Our Lives, G-8907 

by Tony Alonso 

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

As recorded on A House of Prayer, CD-968

Special Bonus Track:

Peace to You, My Loved Ones

From Pulse and Breath, G-9872

By Sally Ann Morris

Text Author: Adam M. L. Tice

(recorded live at Laurelville Music and Worship Leader’s retreat, an annual Mennonite event that takes place in western Pennsylvania. Click here for the video!)

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

Body Mapping: with Bridget Jankowski (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 19)

Body Mapping: with Bridget Jankowski (Sing Amen! The Podcast, episode 19)

When I look back over the past few decades, it feels as though I have spent a huge portion of my life as a professional musician dealing with tension, pain, stiff shoulders, tendinitis, and all kinds of bodily aches. Most of my colleagues would say the same, I expect. It never occurred to me to wonder if they were optional; I thought that was just part of being a musician.

            I had heard of Body Mapping, but I never seemed to find the opportunity to dig in and learn about it, or find out if it could help me. (I was too busy working, and practicing, and taking Advil for my aching joints and tension headaches.) Until last summer, when Bridget Jankowski, author of Body Mapping for Music Ministers, sat down with me one day during the 2018 NPM Convention in Baltimore, and taught me more about this remarkable practice.

            This podcast episode is essentially a distillation of that conversation. Bridget’s work, and her book, talks not only about Body Mapping as a vehicle to increased clarity and efficiency (and decreased pain!) for the musician’s body as we make music, but also about how this practice can help deepen our awareness and focus as we perform our work as ministers. Our conversation quite literally changed almost everything for me about the way I conduct, the way I sing, the way I teach, and the way I work with my own choruses; it is truly amazing—and I’ll leave it there and let you listen, since Bridget explains it all far better than I can!

            (And if this intrigues you even a little—Bridget herself will be speaking at the Raleigh NPM convention in a little over a week, giving one of the Mega-Breakouts. Please come see her in person and learn from a truly remarkable teacher!)

Music heard in today’s podcast:

One Is, G-3968

As recorded on Vision, CD-295

 

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

 

 

Show By Your Life: A Conversation with Lori True (Sing Amen! The Podcast: Episode 18)

Show By Your Life: A Conversation with Lori True (Sing Amen! The Podcast: Episode 18)

Okay, it’s been a while since our last podcast! It’s good to be back.

Part of the learning curve for me with this site has been realizing when the crunch times come, so I can be ready for them…I’m just coming out of one of those crunch times, because in Publisher World, there is a big push about 6 weeks before all the big conferences, when all the projects need to go to press for printing. NPM is next month in Raleigh, July 16-19—and if you haven’t registered to go yet, please do consider it, because it’s going to be a great week.

(By the way: I will be one of the retreat leaders during the Pre-Convention events, for a retreat day for women on Monday July 15, working with Lorraine Hess, ValLimar Jansen, Meredith Augustin, and Sarah Hart. It will be a day of music and prayer and reflection, and you won’t want to miss it—I know it’s filling up fast, so while they will take onsite registration if there is still space, I’d recommend registering early.)

Anyway, a lot of stuff has gone to press in the last few weeks! New collections, books, Revival 2, new wedding music, Volume 8 of Paul Tate’s “Seasons of Grace” collection, The Organist’s Craft (the newest volume of the “As Found in the GIA Quarterly” series, which I edit), and of course Lori True’s new collection Show By Your Life, inspired in great part by the writings and words of Pope Francis.

That edition is in fact hot off the presses as I write this, and so it seemed like the perfect moment to release this podcast episode of a conversation I had with Lori last fall at the GIA Fall Institute, when this collection was in its early stages of development. Lori had just given a workshop addressing the importance of singing about social justice and letting the words we sing as a community address the very real concerns of our world today. She was kind enough to sit down and talk with me about her writing process and how she got here. It was a wonderful conversation, and here it is interspersed with excerpts from some of the songs from the new collection, as well as a few old favorites.

Enjoy!

Music heard in today’s podcast:

Show By Your Life, G-9980

As recorded on Show By Your Life, CD-1054

I Send You with the Grace of my Spirit, G-9985

As recorded on Show By Your Life, CD-1054

Who is the Alien? G-6711

As recorded on There is Room for Us All, CD-639

Prayers of the Faithful—Advent (from Cry Out With Joy, Year A, G-8481)

As recorded on Cry Out With Joy, Year A, CD-931

What Have We Done for the Poor Ones? G-6709

As recorded on There is Room for Us All, CD-639

My Favor Rests on You, G-9983

As recorded on Show By Your Life, CD-1054

 

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

 

 

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Night Prayer (Sing Amen! the Podcast: Episode 17)

Night Prayer (Sing Amen! the Podcast: Episode 17)


Holy Week is upon us. I figured that at this precise moment in our musical lives no one listening here is looking particularly for new repertoire or deep thoughts or formational development—we are looking to get through the week with beauty and prayerfulness, we are creating folders and scripts and parts for the trumpet players and preparing for a level of intensity that is unlike anything else we do all year.

So instead…here is a calm, lovely Night Prayer service to listen to on your way home from rehearsals this week, or to help quiet down a busy brain after a long day. It’s from Ian Callanan’s collection As Nighttime Falls, a series of 15-20 minute Compline services for each day of the week. These are good for either individual prayer and listening in solitude, or communal or retreat type settings; if you like this, I’d encourage checking out the whole set, available in both audio and music collection form and with an assembly edition as well…

So—all prayers and good wishes to all of us out there this coming week! May you be blessed with choirs who show up on time, cantors who avoid illness, organs that never cipher, string instruments that hold their tune, staff meetings without stress, assemblies with open hearts and joyful spirits, and families who understand when you doze off over Easter dinner. Peace be with you!

Music heard in today’s podcast: from As Nighttime Falls: Hymns, Psalms and Prayers to End the Day, CD-1038 (Sunday Night Prayer)

1          Call to Prayer

2          As Nighttime Falls

3          Be with Me, Lord

4          Word of God

5          Short Responsory

6          Save Us, Lord / Let Your Servant Go / Save Us, Lord

7          Prayer

8          Blessing

9          Hail, Holy Queen

 

Sing Amen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

Sing Amen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789 ©GIA Publications, Inc).
Sing Amen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

Of Womb and Tomb: a conversation with Kate Williams (Sing Amen! the Podcast: episode 16)

Of Womb and Tomb: a conversation with Kate Williams (Sing Amen! the Podcast: episode 16)

Today we have a conversation with Kate Williams, who compiled and edited the beautiful new resource Of Womb and Tomb: Prayer in time of Infertility, Miscarriage, and Stillbirth (G-9816).  The resource is made up of a book, a CD, and a music collection, and I’m pretty sure it’s the first collection of its kind—since it came off press not very long ago it has already been adopted by hospital chaplains, parishes, and individuals; it’s been featured on the Music Ministry Mondays podcast for NPM, and Kate will be speaking about it at the Los Angeles Religious Education Conference this week. In today’s podcast we will hear an interview with Kate that we did right after the book came out, interspersed with some readings from the book and some of the music from the collection.  (And the prayer we hear Kate read at the opening of the podcast was written by Melissa Carnall, and can be found in the book as well.)

Kate’s work to lift the veil of silence around a pain and grief that we have been culturally conditioned to not speak of, and to shift it out of being a “women’s issue” into a wider concern that affects many many people, both men and women, and to help us find a way as Church to walk through this pain together, and to minister to one another, is tremendously important, and I am so grateful to have had the chance to speak with her about it.

 

Music heard in today’s podcast:

The Silence and the Sorrow, Liam Lawton (G-5291)

As recorded on Ancient Ways, Future Days (CD-475)

 

In the Morning, In the Evening, Bex Gaunt (G-9873)

As recorded on Of Womb and Tomb (CD-1061)

 

And Jesus Said, Tony Alonso (G-7075)

As recorded on Songs from Another Room (CD-648)

 

SingAmen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

SingAmen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789.. ©GIA Publications, Inc).
SingAmen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

 

Glory, Hallelujah! A Black History Month Choral Sampler (Sing Amen! The Podcast: episode 15)

Glory, Hallelujah! A Black History Month Choral Sampler (Sing Amen! The Podcast: episode 15)

February is Black History Month, so it seemed appropriate to devote a podcast to some of the wonderful and Spirit-filled offerings from our African-American brothers and sisters in faith, and the amazing heritage of spirituals and Gospel music they continue to keep alive and growing.

So here is I hope a pretty diverse lineup of music, encompassing contemporary Gospel style music and choral spirituals and the hybrid styles that move between the two, representing a broad swath of the composers and arrangers, both men and women, whose work gives such life to the church. I’ll give you their names as we go, but there’s one more name I didn’t want to lose track of here, and that’s Dr. James Abbington of Emory University. (That’s him in the photo up above.) He conducted many of the performances you are about to hear, and continues to play a pivotal role in editing and curating GIA’s African-American church music series, the African-American Heritage Hymnal—basically, if I were to read out his whole bio and all the things he’s done and continues to do, we wouldn’t have time for any music, but my respect for him is immense and I can’t say enough about him as a musician and a scholar, so please go to his bio on the GIA website and check him out for yourself.

Obviously on a half-hour or so podcast I could only scratch the surface of the amazing music out there, but for each of the pieces you’ll hear here, you can click on the CD from which each song comes, and explore more. I know the whole process of preparing this one has made my long car rides much brighter and Holy Spirit-attended than they usually are—and I hope it does the same for you!

 

Music heard in today’s podcast:

Soon and Very Soon (arr. Derek W. Campbell and VaLimar Jansen)

As recorded on Catholic Classics Vol. 7: African-American Sacred Songs CD-557

 

Come By Here G-7957 (arr. Uzee Brown, Jr.)

As recorded on My Lord’s Gettin’ Ready for that Great Day CD-9026

 

Bound for Canaan’s Land G-6499 (arr. Undine Smith Moore)

As recorded on How Excellent is Thy Name: 15 Selections from the African-American Church Music Series, CD-630

 

Deep River G-7228 (arr. Uzee Brown, Jr.)

As recorded on Use Me: 17 Selections from the African-American Church Music Series, CD-741

 

Glory Glory Hallelujah G-5953 (arr. C. Eugene Cooper)

As recorded on Spirits that Dwell in Deep Woods, CD-605

 

Mary’s Canticle G-2836 (Leon Roberts)

As recorded on I Call Upon You, God CD-342

 

Building up the Kingdom G-8641 (M. Roger Holland II)

As recorded on Building Up the Kingdom, CD-938

 

Hallelujah, Amen (Nolan Williams, Jr.)

As recorded on 49 Hidden Treasures from the African-American Heritage Hymnal, CD-636

 

Guide My Feet  G-5952 (arr. Avis D. Graves)

As recorded on Guide My Feet: 14 Selections from the African-American Church Music Series, CD-600

 

My Peace I Leave With You G-6320 (Wendell C. Woods)

As recorded on How Excellent is Thy Name: 15 Selections from the African-American Church Music Series, CD-630

 

SingAmen! the Podcast, with Jennifer Kerr Budziak
Sound by Jim Bogdanich

SingAmen! opening music: Promenade, by Bob Moore (from Let Every Instrument Be Tuned for Praise, CD-491, from Liturgical Suite #4, G-4789.. ©GIA Publications, Inc).
SingAmen! closing music: Amen, (from More Sublime Chant, CD-459, The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx, conductor. ©GIA Publications, Inc.)

 

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